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'Cinderella' and 'Mayhem' Post-ep Reaction

**SPOILERS ****




I watched both eps back to back, so it feels like one long one.  This may be rambly - just a warning :)


- The last scene of 'Cinderella' was fantastic.  DH actually was watching with me and he loved her taking the bottle and giving him the glass.  He also admitted that he couldn't watch without staring at her boobs in that outfit. 

- I thought the Hodgins/Angela moment at the bar was really angsty goodness.  Those two are destined!  (PS - How did Wendell get such hot friends?)

-Who doesn't love Gordon Gordon? 

- Am I an idiot but which one of them is he saying is fighting the attraction?  I've always assumed Booth, but something about the last scene in Sweets office just seemed like it was her.  Maybe I'm just slow but it didn't seem obvious that it was one vs the other - it seemed like both of them are fighting it pretty hard.

- Her admission about the foster family broke my heart - loved that it broke Booth's too.  I thought he was going to cry. 

-I'm glad we found out more about Sweets, and this ep seemed like Wyatt was passing the torch to him, which I can live with now I think

- All in all, I loved the second ep and only liked the first.  I'm starting to get a feel for how they plan to have her character undergo some changes this season, leading up to the finale.  


What about everyone else?  

PS - Britt - read your rant and you go girl!   

Comments

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tempertemper
Apr. 17th, 2009 03:21 pm (UTC)
I really enjoyed both eps, but LOVED Mayhem...

Re: What GG saw:

What I wrote at Space's post:

First of all, we have to think what we are examining - not what we think is actually going on in their heads, but what GG has observed. I don't think he would presume to know this much about Brennan - she hardly wears her heart on her sleeve in public...

Then it was all about that scene at the end. Sweets worked out who GG meant from that moment with the handkerchief.

To me, Brennan was all about Sweets there - she wanted to make him feel better, both after seeing that he had gone through a similarly traumatic childhood and after the last ep (probably still feeling bad for the Daisy cock up). She shared her story with him and asked Booth to do the same and the ONLY reason he did was because she asked him to. He was all about dragging Sweets back to his for dinner before she gave him that imploring look. This Sweets sees.

Then she hands him back the handkerchief and I love that she puts it in his pocket - deeper meaning for her? Handing him a little bit of her heart? Maybe. But it was a dramatic device, to give us first Booth's little look of surprise (gulp!) that she did that, such an intimate thing, and then his putting his hand there just for a second, over his heart as though he could capture that and hold on to it.

That is what Sweets saw, IMO.

It was Sweets that mentioned denial and sublimation of feelings, GG said it's not that it's that one of them knows full well how they feel and struggles with it everyday. It's not about denial so much IMO.

I think Booth struggles with his feelings because he knows she's not ready. He can't push her - he's said this before. She's not there yet.

You and I know she could be soon - she is getting there - handing him a little bit of her heart each time.

But yeah, GG meant Booth.

....So that's my take on it!! Long-winded as usual. I just don't think anyone would describe Brennan as struggling with these feelings every day as she's only just beginning to discover them. Booth, on the other hand, I think is well aware of how he feels.
britt_1975
Apr. 17th, 2009 04:59 pm (UTC)
T, you have to stop... everytime I read your explanation... it makes me waffle again!!!

I LOVE all of the discussion that this has engendered!!! It's so awesome to see how differently everyone looks at this!!!
doc_3
Apr. 19th, 2009 11:42 pm (UTC)
See, now you have me convinced it's Booth, but I was totally on the fence five mins ago!
tempertemper
Apr. 20th, 2009 12:32 pm (UTC)
Ha ha! Of course it's Booth ;)

Lots of discussion here, which basically covers all the reasons why I believe this to be true :)

Not that I don't think she feels for him too, just that this moment was about acknowledging what we shippers have known all along - he's head over heels :)
britt_1975
Apr. 17th, 2009 04:56 pm (UTC)
DOC!!!! I've rewatched the Hodgela scene a few times and I can't tell what he pushes... or does he just turn off the phone???

And my hubby agrees with your hubby about the red top. :-)

I LOVED, in a completely irrational way, this episode (MotC) It was absolutely perfectly what I've come to expect from this show that I love. I thought it was so well done.

I'm so torn on who Gordon Gordon meant. Initially I was all about Booth... because DUH! It's clear that he loves her so much. But the thing is... Gordon stated that he disagreed with everything that Sweets said. So, doesn't that mean that he thinks that neither of them are sublimating. And if one of them STRUGGLES over the attraction, then I'd say it's Brennan. I've never thought for a minute that Brennan isn't completely attracted to Booth... just that their partnership and the line and her accepting of everything at face value makes her think that she's the only one who feels that attraction. Whereas I think that Booth is also completely aware of the attraction, but accepts it and is just waiting until Brennan is ready for eventually and someday and FOR THE LOVE OF GOD MAN!!! She's ready!!! She just doesn't think that you think of her that way!!! URGH!!!!

ETA: I think that my key word is Attraction. If attraction is interchangeable with feelings... then I'd definitely have to go with Booth... because I think that Booth has more than attraction, I think he has deep abiding love for Brennan. And I certainly think that Brennan has feelings for Booth... but I think those are TOTALLY sublimated or just misunderstood because she's never wanted or accepted anything on that transcendent level of LOVE, or admitted it, until just recently. But again... I felt like Wyatt's key word was "attraction." Because I do feel that Brennan regularly fights her attraction to Booth... Whereas Booth just accepts it and keeps kind of hinting at it... but is waiting because he knows that it's MORE than attraction for him... and he needs it to be more than that for her too.


But then, I'll read some incredibly insightful comments from someone and I'm back to thinking that it's Booth. So... *shrug* I don't know if we'll ever know. I think it's going to be one of those personal interpretation things... unless... somehow it comes out at the end.

But I'm SO SO SO happy with the writers and the progression and the way they are really building to the spoilers and not just dropping them on our heads. Sometimes these writers struggle with that fine line between subtlety and anvils... and while I usually don't care because I love it no matter what, I feel like they've been so freaking fabulous at this lead up and I'm SO SO SO hopeful that we may actually GET to have our cake and eat it too. That the writers may step up and say "This is not Moonlighting, there is no curse, a couple can GET together and still have a compelling exciting show" PLEASE WRITERS!!!! I HAVE FAITH.

And really... I didn't mean to yell so much. :-))

Edited at 2009-04-17 05:08 pm (UTC)
ama_blue
Apr. 17th, 2009 10:39 pm (UTC)
I think that my key word is Attraction.

Yes, this is the word that made me think from the beginning of the ep that it could truly be Brennan that GG is talking about. And maybe it wasn't, but I instantly interpreted that final scene as it being Brennan. The attraction and not knowing what to do with that (hence her question of Booth in Cinderella re: love) is something I can completely see her struggling with. I think Booth would be able to accept that fact and move past it to feeling something deeper. Indeed, I'm sure that he already has.

But then...
I'll read some incredibly insightful comments from someone and I'm back to thinking that it's Booth.

Agreed! Because if I were to look at that final scene just by itself, I think that Brennan really shows no sign of struggling/wanting something more. Booth wants Brennan's hand to stay right there over his pocket, over his heart, and he looks so conflicted and confused in that moment. (I feel like I'm sounding so damn sappy right now, but anyway...) I feel like the title of the book is what that really made me decide--it's gotta be Brennan. But people make such compelling arguments for it being Booth.

I know that I will waffle back and forth until we're finally told who it is.

We better get told who it is. And soon!
britt_1975
Apr. 17th, 2009 11:06 pm (UTC)
We better get told who it is. And soon!

And I'm so afraid that we won't! I just posted that I think that this mystery may even be better than what the letter said in AitS... and that we may never know. I actually sometimes love how they leave some stuff to audience interpretation. It's what makes such a fertile ground for fanfic!

Do you mind if I friend you?
ama_blue
Apr. 17th, 2009 11:31 pm (UTC)
Just friended you!! :)

Oh, god! We will probably never know what that letter said. But I think you're right...sometimes it is wonderful when it's left to the audience's imagination.

I propose we have an ep called The Heart of the Matter next season and find out what Sweets found so obvious in that moment. Because, he must be a pretty damn good psychologist if he can discern. They both looked pretty enamored of one another in that handkerchief scene.

Edited at 2009-04-17 11:31 pm (UTC)
britt_1975
Apr. 17th, 2009 11:47 pm (UTC)
I have to wonder about the content of Sweets' book... and how obvious it is that it's Booth and Brennan... because if it's just about them and no one else, and he isn't careful, then his suppositions about their sublimated attraction could cause problems for them... don't you think???

Assuming that they don't out themselves prior to the book being released.

I just read a really interesting post on a forum that proposed that it wasn't that Sweets saw which one was aware and struggling, but that what he saw was that they aren't the opposites that he thought they were... this person also said... oh heck... I'm just going to quote directly:

"With the ongoing threads of metaphorical marks and scars, Booth's story touches Bones' heart and she goes one further and physically touches his.

And then with the pan to Sweets' manuscript at the end - right down to the changed title - they give the audience the answer. He sees now it's not about opposites, it's not about jobs, it's about the love, it's about how they care and feel for each other - the heart - they have between them. And the matters, thereof."


I thought that was very insightful.. and still leaves the "who" part up to the watcher.

You can find the post here

Edited at 2009-04-17 11:47 pm (UTC)
ama_blue
Apr. 18th, 2009 12:10 am (UTC)
if it's just about them and no one else, and he isn't careful, then his suppositions about their sublimated attraction could cause problems for them...

I wrote some cracked out fic last Christmas where this happens. lol

I don't think Booth and Brennan realize what they are getting themselves into with this. I think it will be completely obvious to anyone who knows them that they are the subjects of this book. And having it just thrown into their face that they are attracted to each other--well, they won't really be able to avoid this fact quite so easily anymore.

"With the ongoing threads of metaphorical marks and scars, Booth's story touches Bones' heart and she goes one further and physically touches his."

That is such a poignant observation. I'm so very glad you linked over to that comment. In my shippery-haze I pretty much forgot all about the fact that GG also told Sweets that B&B are very much alike. And that's the whole point of the show--two people who superficially are opposites but come to share this deep love and respect, who ultimately share so much with one another. (And maybe some crime-solving thrown in there too.)

Oh, show. You are awesome.
doc_3
Apr. 19th, 2009 11:53 pm (UTC)
This totally makes sense. With the history and background we were given on Sweets, and the way they have been hammering the idea of metaphorical marks and real (and metaphorical) scars - this really could be the whole idea they were getting at. It's not for us to know "who is fighting their feelings" but that Sweets now understands what they are all about.

Isn't it interesting that GG was all about "they're just partners" before when he was there, and now he's the one telling Sweets it's the exact opposite - they are way more than partners?

Edited at 2009-04-19 11:53 pm (UTC)
doc_3
Apr. 19th, 2009 11:48 pm (UTC)
I'm still waffling along with you for the most part. I'm actually going to watch the ep again now that I've read all these fab comments and ideas, so I'll have a different perspective.

I agree that I wish we'd be told for sure - but doubt it!
tempertemper
Apr. 20th, 2009 12:41 pm (UTC)
For me the fact that he said 'attraction' is not so much of an issue. They are not going to have GG turn around and say 'One of them is head over heels in love with the other...' it would be too OTT.

Also I am not sure what Sweets meant by the change of title - but I'm thinking he changed it before he saw what GG meant, so it doesn't have a bearing on my Booth-reasoning either.

You are so spot on about that scene. And when Booth asked if she was okay - that was a big part of it for me too. He was all about her.

Mainly I see this as the progression of Booth's character from someone we all 'think' is crazy about Brennan, to someone that the show has now confirmed is. I feel like that is really important, both for his character and for the show. I think that's why I'm so worked up about it!

Hee :)

I could talk about this forever, clearly ;)

ETA: I don't think we'll ever be explicitly told who it is, but I do think that it will play into their actions in upcoming eps :)

ETA2: (sorry) I also should say they write GG's dialogue very much in that British stiff upper lip way - he would use the word attraction to mean everything from finding someone attractive to full on wanting their babies, I'm sure ;)

Edited at 2009-04-20 12:49 pm (UTC)
ama_blue
Apr. 20th, 2009 07:28 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I'm not sure we'll ever be told which one of them it is.

Mainly I see this as the progression of Booth's character from someone we all 'think' is crazy about Brennan, to someone that the show has now confirmed is.

Exactly! Which is nice, because it's easy enough to say he acts like he's in love, but it's great to have it more or less confirmed that he is.

I could talk about this all day, too!! I try not to talk about it too much about the show in real life. Otherwise, I'd surely out myself as an obsessed fangirl.
tempertemper
Apr. 21st, 2009 05:59 am (UTC)
LOL me too! I don't have any RL friends to talk about it with. My sister watches the show, but she's not a TV geek like me so there's only so far she will dig into it.. and she is all about the Hodgins/Angela love anyway.

My dh actually watches it more and more closely, but I am very wary of getting too geeky about it.. I see him start to glaze over. He teases me mercilessly and thinks the term 'shipper' is the funniest thing he's ever heard ;)
ama_blue
Apr. 21st, 2009 06:11 am (UTC)
I don't think anyone knows what shipper means outside of fandoms. I find myself using it sometimes--i.e.: "I'm a Harry/Hermione shipper." whenever people mention Harry Potter. And I get these big blank stares.

I have a 9pm meeting nearly every night at my school paper and people pretty much know to expect me to be late the nights that Bones and House are on. I get text messages during the meetings asking me how the eps ended. lol I just find it hard to watch a show like Bones and not get wrapped up in it!

That's great you got your husband to watch it with you though! My dad watches it with me sometimes, but only to prove how "easy" it is for him to figure out who the murderer was.
tempertemper
Apr. 21st, 2009 06:33 am (UTC)
I just find it hard to watch a show like Bones and not get wrapped up in it!

Oh gosh me too!

And I can't help but ship - iam_space and I have discovered we even ship the characters from a fav cartoon of our kids (Handy Manny) *iz pathetic*

LOL at your dad. My dh always reckons he has it figured from the first moment too ;)

I love watching it with him but I can never wait for him (ssh don't tell!) Because I am in the UK I have a very very kind friend who sends me a download link and I always end up watching it asap.. which reminds me *toddles off to complete DL*
ama_blue
Apr. 22nd, 2009 06:24 am (UTC)
And I can't help but ship - [info]spacekid77 and I have discovered we even ship the characters from a fav cartoon of our kids (Handy Manny) *iz pathetic*

LOL I googled this show and this came up: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080723093521AAafbLJ

My local paper wrote an article in the paper when I was in high school on me and my harry potter obesession. *feels lame* They wisely decided not to publish any of my shipper rants.
tempertemper
Apr. 22nd, 2009 11:30 am (UTC)
LOL I googled this show and this came up:

LMAO! I have to link Space to this!

And LOL at your local paper - same could have been written about me and my X Files obsession when I was at uni, I'm sure ;)
iam_space
Apr. 22nd, 2009 12:06 pm (UTC)
That is hilarious! SEE, hon, we're NOT ALONE in this! It is SO obvious they are MFEO! =D
tempertemper
Apr. 22nd, 2009 02:29 pm (UTC)
Absolutely no question! Can I snag that icon, too? LOL
iam_space
Apr. 22nd, 2009 02:31 pm (UTC)
OF course, what's mine is yours. :)
And check out the Comment Fic Meme at bert's. She and I have both already posted. HEE!
tempertemper
Apr. 22nd, 2009 02:55 pm (UTC)
I've just been - it's AWESOME! Going to get me some computer time tonight to join in :)

PS. And thanks.. the feeling is mutual!

Edited at 2009-04-22 02:56 pm (UTC)
doc_3
Apr. 21st, 2009 07:33 pm (UTC)
Ah yes, for all the millions of people on the internet, somehow no one I know in RL will admit to knowing the word "shipper". I actually caught myself saying to a friend that is obsessed with Harry Potter that I "ship Draco and Ginny" and she seriously gave me a blank stare. C'mon, just admit it already. :)

And my DH does the same thing as your dad - blurts out 'whodunit' theories throughout the ep. It drives me nuts!
ama_blue
Apr. 22nd, 2009 06:05 am (UTC)
Exactly!! One of my bff's reads Twilight fanfic like nobody's business and told me she had never heard the term "shipper" until I used it. *LIAR*

lol about your dh doing the exact same thing! I don't think my dad realizes that I pretty much only watch the show for B&B.

And good for you for being a Draco/Ginny shipper. Ginny & Harry together makes me sick. Clearly I found Book 6 a little traumatic. :)
doc_3
Apr. 21st, 2009 07:30 pm (UTC)
You know what my DH thinks - although Emily's eye-popping cleavage keeps him tuned in, lol.

He makes fun of me for the obsession so I try to tone it down except with you guys.
doc_3
Apr. 19th, 2009 11:46 pm (UTC)
I think I agree that she gets that she's attracted to him. And she's starting to get that there is more out there between people (based on the last scene of 'Cinderella'). I think that Booth is so much more self-aware that he knows what he feels is in his heart, not just his libido, and she's just not there yet. BUT, if we're talking about struggling with "attraction" and not feelings, in some ways I think she's the one struggling with it not him.

ITA, they are finally starting to give us a little background for the finale. Like just a tiny ray of hope that whatever happens onscreen I can live with.

And Hodgela... I want to yell at both of them. They're so obviously meant to be.
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